Comments on: Guest Post: Cap and Trade Draws An Ace – Rebuilding The House of Cards http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:16:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Geoff Temple http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-4230 Geoff Temple Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:22:12 +0000 http://mnfmi.org/?p=2583#comment-4230 With all the debate on whether Co2 and fossil fuel emmissions do or do not create a global hazard , it should be stated that far superior options have been avalable for a long time and are NEVER offered as alternatives. This would stop the debate in it's tracks, but the political will is in opposition to a soulution. Free ( except for initial investment)and totally clean energy systems have been developed and nobody is using this information!!! Look at this video for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71sY8bWSOIc&feature=player_embedded Or one site promoting the work on a small scale http://www.magnets4energy.com/index2.php I could post more info but this is a good start !! With all the debate on whether Co2 and fossil fuel emmissions do or do not create a global hazard , it should be stated that far superior options have been avalable for a long time and are NEVER offered as alternatives.
This would stop the debate in it’s tracks, but the political will is in opposition to a soulution.

Free ( except for initial investment)and totally clean energy systems have been developed and nobody is using this information!!!

Look at this video for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71sY8bWSOIc&feature=player_embedded

Or one site promoting the work on a small scale

http://www.magnets4energy.com/index2.php

I could post more info but this is a good start !!

]]> By: nhel http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-4207 nhel Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:50:46 +0000 http://mnfmi.org/?p=2583#comment-4207 There is no such thing as global warming. in fact it is cooling off. Computer models only give you back what you wont them to tell you. He needs to get in touch with real scientist who look at facts and not models . It was warmer than this before the late Little Ice Age for a long while . There is no such thing as global warming. in fact it is cooling off. Computer models only give you back what you wont them to tell you. He needs to get in touch with real scientist who look at facts and not models .
It was warmer than this before the late Little Ice Age for a long while .

]]> By: Cap and Trade: Deja Vu All Over Again « Minnesota Free Market Institute http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-646 Cap and Trade: Deja Vu All Over Again « Minnesota Free Market Institute Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:37:01 +0000 http://mnfmi.org/?p=2583#comment-646 [...] a recent post drawing a comparison between potential speculation in carbon credits and the meltdown of the [...] [...] a recent post drawing a comparison between potential speculation in carbon credits and the meltdown of the [...]

]]> By: Event: Another Rip In The Economic Fabric – 21 Jun 2009 « Minnesota Free Market Institute http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-622 Event: Another Rip In The Economic Fabric – 21 Jun 2009 « Minnesota Free Market Institute Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:44:33 +0000 http://mnfmi.org/?p=2583#comment-622 [...] Guest Post: Cap and Trade Draws An Ace – Rebuilding The House of Cards, by Doug Williams, Bogus Gold [...] [...] Guest Post: Cap and Trade Draws An Ace – Rebuilding The House of Cards, by Doug Williams, Bogus Gold [...]

]]> By: BruceWMorlan http://mnfmi.org/2009/06/16/cap-and-trade-draws-an-ace-rebuilding-the-house-of-cards/comment-page-1/#comment-608 BruceWMorlan Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:48:09 +0000 http://mnfmi.org/?p=2583#comment-608 You nicely wrote: "But now, suddenly, through clever use of modeling against a particular set of climate data, we now have that previously elusive formula by which we can take a single variable – in this case carbon dioxide emitted – ignore every other related factor and state with certainty what its proper impact in the overall “global warming” scheme will be! Amazing!" It's deja vu all over again. It's just like when Kansas declared pi was 3.0 (as opposed to 3.14159259(etc)). The government will set a function as the standard for measuring the impact and predicting outcomes of changes in carbon emissions. The fact that the equation is not connected to reality does not impact the trading and money exchanging, but it sure makes for an ugly moving target when the real mathematics drive the system away from the predicted (and bought and paid for) behavior. Li's equations are the latest example, but my favorite mathematics of hope winning out over the mathematics of reality is the former Soviet Union's use of "Leontiev equations" in an attempt to plan their economy. As an analyst schooled in statistics and mathematics I tremble when "too big to fail" governments worship at the altar of hopes and dreams and ignored the realities beneath. As I tell people, "it is fun to dream of flying, but if I am at 30,000 feet I want a correctly engineered plane around me, and that usually means 'engineering safety margins' built in because sometimes 2+2 is just not quite accurate enough. You nicely wrote: “But now, suddenly, through clever use of modeling against a particular set of climate data, we now have that previously elusive formula by which we can take a single variable – in this case carbon dioxide emitted – ignore every other related factor and state with certainty what its proper impact in the overall “global warming” scheme will be! Amazing!”

It’s deja vu all over again. It’s just like when Kansas declared pi was 3.0 (as opposed to 3.14159259(etc)). The government will set a function as the standard for measuring the impact and predicting outcomes of changes in carbon emissions. The fact that the equation is not connected to reality does not impact the trading and money exchanging, but it sure makes for an ugly moving target when the real mathematics drive the system away from the predicted (and bought and paid for) behavior. Li’s equations are the latest example, but my favorite mathematics of hope winning out over the mathematics of reality is the former Soviet Union’s use of “Leontiev equations” in an attempt to plan their economy. As an analyst schooled in statistics and mathematics I tremble when “too big to fail” governments worship at the altar of hopes and dreams and ignored the realities beneath. As I tell people, “it is fun to dream of flying, but if I am at 30,000 feet I want a correctly engineered plane around me, and that usually means ‘engineering safety margins’ built in because sometimes 2+2 is just not quite accurate enough.

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